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Ragnar
Skapat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar, man, 57 år, Stockholms län.
Vad trinitariska teologer säger om Treenigheten

"The Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity. Neither the word “trinity” itself nor such language as ‘one-in-three,’ ‘three-in-one,’ one ” essence “, and three “persons” is biblical language. The language of the doctrine is the language of the ancient church taken from classical Greek philosophy."
(Professor Shirley C. Guthrie, Jr., Christian Doctrine- ss.76-77)


"Certainly, it cannot be denied that not only the word ‘Trinity’, but even the explicit idea of the Trinity is absent from the apostolic witness to the faith … We must honestly admit that the doctrine of the Trinity did not form part of the early Christian—- New Testament—- message."
( Emil Brunner, Dogmatics, Vol.1, s.205 )


"Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it. The Greek mind, dying, came to a transmigrated life in the theology and liturgy of the Church; the Greek language, having reigned for centuries over philosophy, became the vehicle of Christian literature and ritual… Christianity was the last great creation of the ancient pagan world."
(Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol.3, 1944)


"The Church’s doctrine of the Trinity would seem to be the farthest thing from [the New Testament writers] minds and today’s reader may well wonder if it is even helpful to refer to such a dogma in order to grasp the theology of the New Testament. When the Church speaks of the doctrine of the Trinity, it refers to the specific belief that God exists eternally in three distinct ‘persons’ who are equal in deity and one in substance. In this form the doctrine is not found anywhere in the New Testament; it was not so clearly articulated until the late fourth century AD."
(Christopher B. Kaiser, The Doctrine of God, A Historical Survey, s.23)


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Ragnar
#1. Publicerat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar

"It is claimed that the doctrine of the Trinity is a very important, crucial, and even basic doctrine. If that is indeed the case, should it not be somewhere more clearly, directly, and explicitly stated in the Bible? If this is the doctrine that especially constitutes Christianity’s uniqueness, as over against Unitarian monotheism on the one hand, and polytheism on the other hand, how can it be only implied in the biblical revelation? In response to the complaint that a number of portions of the Bible are ambiguous or unclear, we often hear a statement something like, ‘It is the peripheral matters that are hazy or in which there seems to be conflicting biblical materials. The core beliefs are clearly and unequivocally revealed.’ This argument would appear to fail us with respect to the doctrine of the Trinity, however. For here is a seemingly crucial matter where the Scriptures do not speak loudly and clearly. Little direct response can be made to this charge. It is unlikely that any text of Scripture can be shown to teach the doctrine of the Trinity in a clear, direct, and unmistakable fashion."

(Millard Erickson, God in Three Persons: A Contemporary Interpretation of the Trinity, ss.108-109)


"It is difficult in the second half of the 20th century to offer a clear, objective and straightforward account of the revelation, doctrinal evolution, and the theological elaboration of the Mystery of the Trinity … Historians of dogma and systematic theologians [recognize] that when one does speak of an unqualified Trinitarianism, one has moved from the period of Christian origins to, say, the last quadrant of the 4th century. It was only then that what might be called the definitive Trinitarian dogma ‘One God in three Persons’ became thoroughly assimilated into Christian life and thought… it was the product of three centuries of development."
(Thomas Carson, “Trinity”, The New Catholic Encyclopedia, Second Edition, vol. xiv, s.295)

"It must be admitted by everyone who has the rudiments of an historical sense that the doctrine of the Trinity formed no part of the original message."
(Anglican theologian W.R. Matthews, God in Christian Experience, s.180)

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#2. Publicerat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar

"Another difficulty stems from the categories used by those who worked out the doctrine of the Trinity that the church adopted. They used Greek categories such as substance, essence, and person, which had corresponding Latin concepts when translated into the forms of thinking that characterized the Eastern church. Over the years, questions have been raised regarding those concepts. One contention is that the Trinity is simply a product of those ancient Greek categories. It is not present in biblical thought, but arose when biblical thought was pressed into this foreign mold. Thus, the doctrine of the Trinity goes beyond and even distorts what the Bible says about God. It is a Greek philosophical, not a Hebraic biblical concept."
(Millard Erickson, God in Three Persons, ss. 19-20)


"I cannot but think that the doctrine of the Trinity, far from being established, is open to serious criticism, because of both the modern understanding of the Scripture, and inherent confusions in it’s expression. Texts were torn from their contexts and misused to no small degree… Much of the defense of the Trinity as a revealed doctrine, is really an evasion of the objections that can be brought against it… It is not a doctrine specifically to be found in the New Testament. It is a creation of the fourth-century church."
(Professor Cyril C. Richardson, The Doctrine of the Trinity: A Clarification of What It Attempts to Express, ss. 16-17)


"The Bible has many verses which “teach” justification, “teach” repentance, “teach” baptism, “teach” the resurrection, but not one verse in the entire Bible “teaches” the doctrine of the Trinity. No verse describes it, explains it, or defines it. When one considers just how different the Trinitarian view is from the traditional Jewish view of God, you have to ask yourself, where are all the arguments to get the Jew to change his view? Why, when the apostle Paul spends entire chapters getting the Jew to change his view of the law, isn’t there just one text to get the Jew to change his view of God? This vital, but missing piece, is the Trinity’s single biggest flaw …. The more I looked at the Trinity, the more I saw a doctrine rich in tradition, and passionately defended by brilliant and sincere people, but severely weak in reason and badly wanting in biblical support."
(Robert A. Wagoner, The Great Debate Regarding the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, ss.88-89)
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#3. Publicerat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar

"It was never the intention of the original witnesses to Christ in the New Testament to set before us an intellectual problem — that of Three Divine Persons — then to tell us silently to worship this mystery of the “Three-in- One.” There is no trace of such an idea in the New Testament. This “mysterium logicum,” the fact that God is Three and yet One, lies wholly outside the message of the Bible. [This mystery has] no connection with the message of Jesus and His Apostles. No Apostle would have dreamed of thinking that there are Three Divine Persons, whose mutual relations and paradoxical unity are beyond our understanding. No “mysterium logicum,” no intellctual paradox, no antimony of Trinity in Unity, has any place in their testimony."
(Emil Brunner, Dogmatics, Vol.1, s.226)


"The first teachers of Christianity were never charged by the Jews (who unquestionably believed in the strict unity of God), with introducing any new theory of the Godhead. Many foolish and false charges were made against Christ; but this was never alleged against him or any of his disciples. When this doctrine of three persons in one God was introduced into the church, by new converts to Christianity, it caused immense excitement for many years. Referring to this, Mosheim writes, under the fourth century, “The subject of this fatal controversy, which kindled such deplorable divisions throughout the Christian world, was the doctrine of the Three Persons in the Godhead; a doctrine which in the three preceding centuries had happily escaped the vain curiosity of human researches, and had been left undefined and undetermined by any particular set of ideas.” Would there not have been some similar commotion among the Jewish people in the time of Christ, if such a view of the Godhead had been offered to their notice, and if they had been told that without belief in this they “would perish everlastingly”?"
(Frederic William Farrar, Early Days of Christianity, Vol. 1, s.55)

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#4. Publicerat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar

"Since the author [of Hebrews] is emphasizing the continuity of the two phases of divine speech... this reference to a Son shows that ho theos was understood to be “God the Father.” Similarly, the differentiation made between ho theos as the one who speaks in both eras and huios as his final means of speaking shows that in the author’s mind it was not the Triune God of Christian theology who spoke to the forefathers by the prophets. That is to say, for the author of Hebrews (as for all NT writers, one may suggest) “the God of our fathers,” Yahweh, was no other than “the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (compare Acts 2:30 and 2:33; 3:13 and 3:18; 3:25 and 3:26; note also 5:30). Such a conclusion is entirely consistent with the regular NT usage of ho theos. It would be inappropriate for elohim or YHWH ever to refer to the Trinity in the OT, when in the NT theos regularly refers to the Father alone and apparently never to the Trinity."
(Trinitarian scholar Murray Harris, Jesus As God, footnote 112 on s.47)


"The doctrine of the Trinity is not in the Bible if read in it’s historical context. Of course, one can find references to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, even together as a triad in Matthew 28:19. But the actual doctrine, which teaches that the three are different “persons” who share the same “substance” of full divinity, took centuries to be developed, elaborated, defended, and established as Christian dogma. Christian theologians might be right if they say that the doctrine is at least “hinted at” in the New Testament, and that the later church was correct in “taking” the Bible to teach the doctrine, but that is a theological position, not a strictly historical one."
(Dale Martin, New Testament History & Literature, s.4)

Ragnar
#5. Publicerat 2024-11-29 av Ragnar

No responsible New Testament scholar would claim that the doctrine of the Trinity was taught by Jesus, or preached by the earliest Christians, or consciously held by any writer of the New Testament. It was in fact slowly worked out in the course of the first few centuries in an attempt to give an intelligible doctrine of God.

(Hanson, Anthony Tyrrell, The Image of the Invisible God, s.87.)

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